Comments on: The Revenge of the Fish http://www.pokerplasm.com/articles/the-revenge-of-the-fish.html Online poker magazine devoted to articles, interviews, and tips. Wed, 07 Jan 2009 02:04:19 +0000 http://wordpress.org/?v=2.6.5 By: sajules http://www.pokerplasm.com/articles/the-revenge-of-the-fish.html#comment-446 sajules Wed, 20 Sep 2006 13:06:14 +0000 http://www.pokerplasm.com/articles/the-revenge-of-the-fish.html#comment-446 I loved this article Snake. Hope I get a book too if you ever write one :) I loved this article Snake.
Hope I get a book too if you ever write one :)

]]> By: Crazy Snake http://www.pokerplasm.com/articles/the-revenge-of-the-fish.html#comment-280 Crazy Snake Mon, 12 Jun 2006 14:37:29 +0000 http://www.pokerplasm.com/articles/the-revenge-of-the-fish.html#comment-280 Don, Thanks for your comments. If I ever write a book you will receive a complimentary copy. Like you, I have broken things before after receiving a particularly bad and unjust beat. Fortunately, I have managed to limit the damage to paper weights, stress balls and bic pens, though my cordless mouse has had a few scares before being placed gently back on the desk. I am much more philosphical about matters these days and can usually escape long before anyone gets hurt, especially me, but it was a long journey and I lost alot of money learning how not to. The encouragement I will give you is that it is an achievable thing but you must first match your game style to your temperament. It is not necessarily true to say that if you are an aggressive go-getter in your business life that this style will necessarily fit your poker game. In my own case I would describe myself as a cynical contrarian but this will not get it done on the felt. One of my favourite pros is Lederer. Now one of the things about Lederer is he rarely if ever "protects" a hand all in. Sure he bets it but Howard is a pure trapper and loves to milk a strong hand for all it's worth against an aggressive player. Howard always has a table presence. It doesn't matter what his stack looks like, if Howard is in a hand people give him due respect. This is because he has burnt nearly all of them for alot more than he should have gotten because he can act and he is willing to chance getting outdrawn sometimes. You will not often find Howard all in unless his hand has been forced and it is always with a strong hand that can improve alot. I once saw him beat Layne Flack senseless with nothing more than smooth calling all the way to the final hand. I have never once been able to put Howard on a hand until they showed it. So what am I saying? Simply that I think protecting a hand indicates a sense of fear, even though on the surface it may seem like an act of courage. Forcing a fish to be a fish for all his chips is all the encouragement he needs and the bad beats will mount up like shells at a pistacchio eating contest. You have to know your players. If you know they can't lay it don't force them to be foolish unless it is on your terms. If you have correctly identified a fish you have no business OVER protecting top pair or two pair with them. If you are patient you will get them with a much better hand than top pair or even two pair and they will be the ones chasing their way to stack oblivion while yours continues to grow. I genuinely hope something within here has helped you. Feel free to PM me for further dicussions and I will be delighted to respond in kind. Regards CS Don,

Thanks for your comments. If I ever write a book you will receive a complimentary copy.
Like you, I have broken things before after receiving a particularly bad and unjust beat. Fortunately, I have managed to limit the damage to paper weights, stress balls and bic pens, though my cordless mouse has had a few scares before being placed gently back on the desk.
I am much more philosphical about matters these days and can usually escape long before anyone gets hurt, especially me, but it was a long journey and I lost alot of money learning how not to. The encouragement I will give you is that it is an achievable thing but you must first match your game style to your temperament. It is not necessarily true to say that if you are an aggressive go-getter in your business life that this style will necessarily fit your poker game. In my own case I would describe myself as a cynical contrarian but this will not get it done on the felt.
One of my favourite pros is Lederer. Now one of the things about Lederer is he rarely if ever “protects” a hand all in. Sure he bets it but Howard is a pure trapper and loves to milk a strong hand for all it’s worth against an aggressive player. Howard always has a table presence. It doesn’t matter what his stack looks like, if Howard is in a hand people give him due respect. This is because he has burnt nearly all of them for alot more than he should have gotten because he can act and he is willing to chance getting outdrawn sometimes. You will not often find Howard all in unless his hand has been forced and it is always with a strong hand that can improve alot. I once saw him beat Layne Flack senseless with nothing more than smooth calling all the way to the final hand. I have never once been able to put Howard on a hand until they showed it.
So what am I saying? Simply that I think protecting a hand indicates a sense of fear, even though on the surface it may seem like an act of courage. Forcing a fish to be a fish for all his chips is all the encouragement he needs and the bad beats will mount up like shells at a pistacchio eating contest. You have to know your players. If you know they can’t lay it don’t force them to be foolish unless it is on your terms. If you have correctly identified a fish you have no business OVER protecting top pair or two pair with them. If you are patient you will get them with a much better hand than top pair or even two pair and they will be the ones chasing their way to stack oblivion while yours continues to grow.
I genuinely hope something within here has helped you. Feel free to PM me for further dicussions and I will be delighted to respond in kind.

Regards
CS

]]> By: don wautelet http://www.pokerplasm.com/articles/the-revenge-of-the-fish.html#comment-279 don wautelet Sat, 10 Jun 2006 20:11:35 +0000 http://www.pokerplasm.com/articles/the-revenge-of-the-fish.html#comment-279 I picked up a copy of full tilt and read your article on top pr and said to my self I would buy a book by this guy. i HAVE LOST SO much money learning no limit. protecting top pr..top two pr.. on the flop and turn only to lose my stack that I often want to cry .... I put a big dent in the fridge and broke my hand one time when I had best flush.. bet to protect to ose on the river. yes the odds were against him so.. you know the game u have been there Other than giving the guy incorrect drawing odds what can I do. I love the game but probably will give it up because every time I build a stack I lose it because I dont seem able to protect it. Is this only true on the internet or will I see this if I play live? I wont play in my local room and have to travel a couple hundred miles to find a game Appreciate hearing from u. thanks for the articles and the ear. I picked up a copy of full tilt and read your article on top pr and said to my self I would buy a book by this guy. i HAVE LOST SO much money learning no limit. protecting top pr..top two pr.. on the flop and turn only to lose my stack that I often want to cry …. I put a big dent in the fridge and broke my hand one time when I had best flush.. bet to protect to ose on the river. yes the odds were against him so.. you know the game u have been there Other than giving the guy incorrect drawing odds what can I do. I love the game but probably will give it up because every time I build a stack I lose it because I dont seem able to protect it. Is this only true on the internet or will I see this if I play live? I wont play in my local room and have to travel a couple hundred miles to find a game Appreciate hearing from u. thanks for the articles and the ear.

]]> By: ffcowboy76 http://www.pokerplasm.com/articles/the-revenge-of-the-fish.html#comment-277 ffcowboy76 Tue, 30 May 2006 03:32:39 +0000 http://www.pokerplasm.com/articles/the-revenge-of-the-fish.html#comment-277 Very informative article Crazy. Keep it up. Very informative article Crazy. Keep it up.

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